Sequence- So many conflicting methods

Oh yes cola, there's no substitute for sussing out your client. A tick-box makes that neither better nor worse if you're asleep on the job.

A verbal and painstakingly written case history can miss loads also. How many times do people tell us they're not on medication when they are?

Because people often think they are healthier than they are, I always spell out 'don't forget sprays, creams, inhalers, eye and ear drop, contraceptives and OTC meds'. Even so, some still say they're not on anything, and when asked about the packets of pills that just fell out of their handbag will reply 'oh, that's just for my heart'.

So I still stand by the point that the tools we use are not to blame, we can use them well or badly, we shouldn't blame them when things go wrong, nor should we throw them away just because some practitioners use them to become lazy.
 
I thought it was just me that had clients not declaring meds. I always say that if they forget anything, not a problem I'll write it in later. Then the client isn't under pressure and later into the treatment the real interesting things crop up that the client thought wasn't relative to the treatment but was. Typically things like an accident falling out of a tree when they were 12 years old and they completely forgot about the incident.

RP
 
Its even worse when they don't declare an operation and you discover a operation scar somewhere
 
Amazing how once you begin to unravel the problem the relevant stuff seems to pop up to the surface all on its own!

Going a bit OT now
 
I agree with you. I know there are people here who say no two massages are alike, and up to a point they are right. Colleges teach you "three strokes of this, three strokes of that", and of course, in the real world, that is nonsense. But a routine makes good sense from both the therapist's and the client's point of view. If I were to leap around the client's body (left leg, then face, then right arm, then over to the back, then over again and back to the right leg...), I might miss something out that could turn out to be crucial. But probably more importantly, it will make no sense to the client - there is a reason why you might be taught, for example, to begin with the legs, then move up to the abdomen, the arms, shoulder etc. The reason is that it feels natural to the client and doesn't give them any unnecessary surprises.

Of course, if the client wants something special, then that is different (and the most important thing is to satisfy the client), but otherwise, what is wrong with a natural progression around the body - wherever you happen to start it?
 
i suppose then, the difference is not in someone doing a routine or not, but in an intuitive therapist performing a routine versus a 'paint by numbers' therapist doing a routine, because there is a difference.

Of course you have to have some sort of plan, ie where to start etc, but the frustrating thing is, when someone does 2 of this and 3 of that, because that is how they are trained, and then when you ask for say, extra time on lower back, they go to pieces because they dont know what to do....and yes, I have experienced this with therapists, on more than one occasion.
 
Hi Guys

I've developed routines for FBM & chair massage combining moves from assorted courses & learned from other therapists. I know these work well as a sequence & come in on time & I'll use these with a new client with no particular issues or someone who pops in occasionally for a tune up.

Would hate to use them all the time though so I bring in different moves from time to time to keep it fresh. Also, more importantly, it doesn't work for clients who have particular issues or preferences in their massage.

One of the benefits of lots of training & learning from other therapists is that we develop the confidence & enough techniques to respond to what the client wants/needs and adjust or even abandon any routine without going to pieces as ST outlines above.
 
This strikes a chord with me!

I once decided to treat myself to a two hour massage and wondered why the time had flown quite so quickly as she neared the end of completing the whole body massage whereupon I was asked to turn over again and she did the same 'paint by numbers' massage again for the next hour.

It became like walking home along the same old route, predictable and boring. She only knew how to do a one hour massage sequence and that was it. Lucky I didn't ask for a 3 hour massage or I would have thought I was in some kind of deja vu nightmare.

I've also on occasion asked for extra work on an area and then found that it was at the expense of other areas normally included being missed out completely even though it was a 'full body' massage because the hour was up. Should be possible to still do the other areas even if less than normal due to time spent elsewhere.

I notice there are courses teaching 'intuitive massage'.

Maybe massage therapists should adopt comedians names to indicate their massage approach?! An hour of Eddie Izzard please or a Miranda.

Or for the one hour repeated twice a Jim Davidson
 
A Jim Davidson, what a nightmare!

Well I have to admit that I have many mini-routines that can be cut, pasted and linked to suit the need of the client. Gets the timing right as well - I have to admit that this takes confidence and experience.

"Amazing how once you begin to unravel the problem the relevant stuff seems to pop up to the surface all on its own!" Yes K, it is amazing and thank goodness it does happen!

RP
 
LOL Coolhandluke! You were turned over like a rotisserie chicken - fully basted too!

When I first graduated and started working, I relied heavily on the sequence I was taught, but at the same time, I talked to clients who were happy to talk, and got great feedback that way. With time, I used this feedback to experiment with changes to my routine, some which worked and others which didn't

Eventually, after about 6 months of being a full-time practitioner, I was at the stage where I started to really know what I was doing. About 3 years later, I'd had more training, attended more demonstrations, enjoyed regular massages from different theapists, and had gone completely intuitive. That routine was a great start, though.
 
Hi

I've been thinking about what constitutes an "intuitive" massage inbetween clients today. Even though we need at first a routine to be able to function, but there comes a point that a good massage therapist works in a way that they just "do" something and it works without understanding why, only later finding that other therapists have a similar technique and a rationale why, yet there was no previous knowledge (apart from feeling, doing and being with the client). It least that's my story, and I'm sure plenty of you will agree. So may be a factor in "intuitive" massage is that knowledge and technique may not be always cognitively understood in the head, but felt in the hands. Could also be understood as having a sense of the clients body and the ability to response to subtle feedback from palpation while massaging.

Best wishes

RP
 
What a lovely post, RP! You've summed it up beautifully, I think. Thank you.

Derek
 
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    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  39. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: HELEN, KIKI & CINDY. HELEN Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart
  40. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, LILY, SUSAN & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. LILY is a beautiful slim Thai lady, petite with C Cups & a nice medium sized ass. Her services will complete your day.
  41. Bencook:
    Suko have Youngest Beautiful Lily ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ๐Ÿฅฐ Hellen Sky Lucky Michelle Emma ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿฅฐplease call 647 718 6182
  42. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Pretty Girl Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ APPLE AND HELEN๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  44. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We had two girls working today. Niko and Kiki. They are both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back walking were very good
  45. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery friendly Cici,open maid.new girl,amazing touch,happy the end,must try ๐ŸŽˆ๐Ÿ”ฅgive you warm comfortable time๐Ÿฅคโค๏ธ
  46. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Tiffany, Vivian and Kitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  47. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Wednesday June 4, 2025, our attendants will be Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿ˜˜, Carla ๐Ÿฅณ and Vicky ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  48. Sunrise Spa:
    ๐Ÿ˜˜ We have a wonderful Asian spa in downtown Toronto ๐Ÿ˜˜ 302 Adelaide St W, 2nd Floor ๐Ÿ˜˜ Today is OLIVIA, ANGELA, LISA & KITTY ๐Ÿ˜˜ 416-916-7276
  49. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  50. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
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