The cost of hobbying (killing us!!!)

It's the oldest profession in the world - so let's not kid ourselves.

It took me a while to realize that I needed to be more socially responsible in the MP's I visited. I don't go to anywhere that I suspect could involve human trafficing (ie. Brimley and Sheppard) or places where the girls aren't treated well (ie. Half the spa's in North York) or places where they are unsanitary and put the girls and myself at risk (ie. 90% of the no-name spa's out there). I've been hobbying for over 15 years so it took me a while to realize these things. I do think they should have a standard - like coffee places that purchase from Fair Trade Countrys - where the spa outlines that it does treat the MP's properly and helps to provide a future for them.

I know that Muse does this and I think Plat's but I'm not 100% sure. I can tell you that these business practices keep me coming back because they attract happy girls who are looking to build a better life for themselves and the owners want to help them achieve that goal. They aren't looking to just work them to death which I've seen in some spa's as well.

Hey, it's an ugly industry, it's a hobby no one wants to talk about and it's the job no one wants to do, but it's a reality, so we deal with it. If you can't afford it, don't do it and take some accountability for yourself and your own actions.

Sorry for the rant but this shit gets me pretty steamed.
 
On his master piece of gibberish, this has to be the crowning statement. Again, it supports previous comments that those with weak/confused minds that are the true causes of their messed up lives never take responsibility for their own actions but to put the blame on anything within earshot. "The Battle Hymn of The Tiger Mum" is now the cause of the yellow plague that invades North American massage parlors. Holy crap. Totally mind numbing stuff, and a whole lot more scary than all these talks of addiction, STD and decadent train wreck lives!
 
I am glad someone sees it like me!!! There are plenty of examples of MPAs that can't quit (i.e. Ashley, 62 y/o, @ Star) and hobbyists in too deep (broke, lonely, infected STD) being turned away by spa owners like MPAsquared. This situation is sad, but worse if you investigate this industry further - just ask any veteran MPA.
 
Anyone who does anything too much tends to dislike themselves once it becomes compulsive. It's no longer just about pleasure, but about filling voids that are best served by other activities. It's rather simple. Many hobbyists are disciplined in other areas of their lives, perhaps rigidly so, but gorge themselves on pussy in their hobbying, and find themselves out of control. I'm merely saying that pulling back can give you a fresh perspective about yourself and you can enjoy the hobby in moderation.
 
Good news stories are not news. For example, you hear stories about a couple of guys getting stabbed in the Entertainment District every weekend but you don't hear about the 100,000 who went, drank and danced a bit and arrived home safe and sound.

There are "train wreck" stories in every walk of life. Did you hear of that dentist in Swansea who murdered his family and then committed suicide?
 
Thats a fancy way of twisting what I said. Pretty colors and all.
 
I agree with all you say but this industry is NOT prohibited - prostitution is not illegal, massage parlours & strip joints are licensed, etc. You do know how long Prohibition lasted in the States?
 
Old male Rockslinger family proverb: "We all need a little sleaze in our lives."
 
Well said. I got out of the hobby for a long while and actually started to like myself a lot more. I thought-like a lot of men here-that more hobby equals more happiness, but eventually it means less happiness, more compulsion. The hobby is so centralized now because of the Internet, it's just all about how much pussy you can grab on one side of the equation, and how much quick cash on the other side. It doesn't make for much fun. Fakeness degrades all parties.

You have to be selective in using the hobby. That's how you keep it fresh, and don't bankrupt yourself.
 
Indeed. Weak minded, weak character people will screw up their lives wherever, whatever, whether it's through hobbying, speed driving, drinking, smoking, gambling, you name it. Call it what you will, fate, pre-determination, karma, our lives are the end products of our choices which are invariably driven by our characters. To blame it on anything else other than taking responsibilities for our own actions is the ultimate expression of that weak character.
 
Really the question is how you define what is "too much", and I think we need to be careful when we say there's such a thing as too much pussy, especially in this forum.

I think given many of the perspectives expressed in this thread about STDs, broken families, addiction, psychologically damaged MPAs, the good old days when massage wasn't available, etc. etc. etc., what would logically qualify as "too much" in many of these cases is any involvement in the business whatsoever. Likewise, when you write about how hobbying less makes you feel better about yourself, voids best served by other activities and so forth, why would it not be the case that simply avoiding hobbying altogether would not make you feel the very best of all?

Alas we want to have our cake and eat it too, and so the best solution is "moderation." If you are losing control and becoming compulsive I agree moderation is very important, but like so many things in life, moderation is best when we simply apply it as necessary to our own personal circumstance, rather than prescribing it to everyone else regardless of the need.
 
+1
my lifes a mess at the moment.

Emily, yes some clients seem fairly normal and can run a normal successful life e.g see tiger woods
But some clients who give you generic reasons as to why they go here maybe pretty mess up themselves or going here to cope with their problems
 
Exactly. You're talking about imminent death. Some guy died this past weekend skiing. It happens.

If all that's happening is a rub by an MPA, maybe your risks are lower. But hehe....



The low point in my story was when I found myself going just because I had time, not because I was in the mood, often going 3-4 times a week. I remember one Saturday afternoon almost two years ago. I was bored, and just started driving as I debated whether to get a session. I went from downtown to Etobicoke, Mississauga, back to North York and ending up on St. Clair for a really crappy session with a girl I can't even describe now. That's when I realized how absolutely stupid I had become.
 
That's another valid viewpoint. If it's not a family that's driving you to take home more pay, it's your mistresses!
 
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  39. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cherry Sara,Tracy & Cindy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Cherry is slim and very beautiful, can deliver a great service experience. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed
  40. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] Alice spa has 3 attractive honeys today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. SHERRY : is a taller busty
  41. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    BESTU WELLNESS
    Yumi , โ€ŠMonicaโ€Š , Rachel , Lilly at BestU WELLNESS.
    CALL OR TEXT โ˜Ž๏ธ: (437) 830-0913 TO BOOK YOUR APPOINTMENT.
  42. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LINDA, LUNA, SARA, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. LINDA is a beautiful young Asian mix girl, 60Kgs with big D Cup boobs with pointy nipples, very friendly, bbbj and many services. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is beautiful
  44. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ AISHA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI (2PMโ€“2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO (9PMโ€“2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (9PMโ€“2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  45. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  46. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ JOJO ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  47. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Michelle 25โ€™s with big buttocks open mind and sexy flirty Yoyo 36DD with curly body 30โ€™s open mind, young pretty popular Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  48. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sexy girl Suki deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  49. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Today we have two waitresses: Water and Mia. Water is young, beautiful, sexy, fluent in English, and good at massage. Mia is tall, plump, sexy, and has first-class massage skills. She is conscientious and responsible in her work, and has many repeat customers.
  50. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Yuki Sweet Singaporean Girl Cici Cute Vietnamese Gir โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
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